Today, I have guest author Allison Bailes from Energy Vanguard sitting in for me. I specifically asked him to cover this topic since the question comes up so often.

Since I’ve acknowledged myself as the best, baddest, building science blogger of the internets, I get asked a lot of questions about windows, air conditioning, and other energy efficiency topics: What size HVAC system should I install? Is it true you can seal a house up too tight? Can I use a CFL bulb in my Easy-Bake Oven?

I also get asked about insulation, and that’s today’s topic. I’m going to stick to the attic here, but much of what I say could apply to walls or floors, too.

The first thing to know is that you really have only three choices here. Well, OK, you have more than three, but I’m mostly going to talk about those three because in terms of what you’ll be able to find someone to install, these are the ones you’re mostly limited to.

Before you ever get insulation anywhere near the attic, though, make sure that you get the air leakage sites sealed up. If you put an air permeable insulation material over a hole in your ceiling, you may have comfort, indoor air quality, durability, and efficiency problems.

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Batts

These are large pieces of insulation that hold together because they’re made of long, interweaving fibers with adhesive binders. The two kinds of batts you’re most likely to encounter are fiberglass and cotton. In terms of their insulating quality, they’re pretty much equivalent. Cotton batts, though, are ‘cool’ because they’re made of recycled blue jeans.

The problem with batts, however, is that they don’t work well because they don’t fill the space well. For the best performance, an insulation material needs to fill the whole space, with no gaps, voids, compression, or incompletely filled areas. Batts are about the worst you can do here.

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insulation batt fiberglass unfilled cavities energy vanguard

See that photo above? Notice that you don’t see insulation filling all the spaces between the ceiling joists. In this case, it’s because they weren’t cut to fill the cavity completely. Another reason that batts don’t do so well is that the house is full of other stuff where we want the insulation to go: wires, electrical junction boxes, framing, bathroom exhaust fans, can lights… Batts don’t do well when they have to compete against all that.

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Blown

A better choice is insulation that comes in smaller chunks. The installer, taking his best firefighter pose, holds a large hose and blows the chunks into the attic. A large machine outside churns the chunks and uses air to blow them up through the hose.

The two main choices here are fiberglass and cellulose, and each has its advantages and disadvantages. They both insulate about the same, though, with R-vales in the 3 to 4 per inch range. Cellulose comes from recycled newspapers. Fiberglass comes from what I’ve heard one major fiberglass insulation manufacturer call a ‘rapidly renewable’ resource – sand. Hmmmm. I don’t know about that, but it’s a common insulation material that works much better in the blown form than in batts.

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insulation blown cellulose complete coverage

The photo above shows an attic insulated with blown cellulose. Notice how you don’t see any of the ceiling framing down at the ceiling level. You also don’t see any gaps that allow you to see all the way down to the ceiling drywall. That’s because blown insulation is great at filling the gaps and giving you a good, complete layer of insulation.

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Sprayed

The third major type of insulation is spray foam. Just as there are two types of blown insulation (fiberglass and cellulose) and two types of people (those who divide everything into two groups and those who don’t), there are two types of spray foam – open cell and closed cell. Each has its pros and cons, as well as its own set of adherents who will tell you never to use the other type. That’s an article for another day, however.

The main advantage of spray foam is that it allows you to move the building envelope - the boundary between conditioned and unconditioned space – from the attic floor to the roof line. If you’ve got your HVAC system and ducts in the stupidest place they could possibly be  (the attic), then moving the envelope to the roofline can be a good thing. In a new home, spraying foam in the roofline can bring the ducts inside the envelope without having to redesign the system and house.

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insulation spray foam roof line

If you don’t have HVAC and ducts in the attic, spray foam on the roofline isn’t really necessary. I’d blow insulation on the attic floor (after air-sealing, of course). The big disadvantage with spray foam is cost. It’s generally 3 to 4 times what you’ll pay for blown cellulose or fiberglass.

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Alternative Materials

There are other materials and systems that you can use to insulate your attic. One that I like a lot (since I built a house out of them  is the structural insulated panel. It’s a sandwich of rigid foam insulation and plywood or OSB (oriented strand board, the flaky plywood).

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insulation alternative materials beer can

One that I don’t like so much, and which you can see below, is the beer can.

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  • Larry Bloom, AIA

    Love the comparison article. One more advantage of sprayed foam is that it seals leaks and penetrations. Since it’s not permeable and fills every crevice, it seals the envelope. As long as you also have fresh air coming in for air exchange, this is a perfect solution for air infiltration, bug control, etc. I believe it’s also non-flammable.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, Larry, spray foam also serves as an air barrier when installed with enough thickness, and that’s one of the reasons it’s become so popular. Ventilation, as you say, is going to be required in most spray foam houses because they’re so tight. 

    The flammability issue is getting a bit heated lately, though, because a lot of building departments are starting to ask for thermal or ignition barriers. I’m not really up to speed on that issue, but I’ve heard it’s starting to rock some boats.

  • Mark Johnson

    I am told that in the Cinco Ranch (Houston) TX area, there were a number of homes built as an experiment using foam insulation at the roofline. Some local energy-aware builders who I don’t think are BS-ing me here, say there are pending lawsuits relating to roof decking problems widespread with this method. Perhaps you would care to spill some professional gossip on what can go wrong in a hot-humid climate. A nicer way than “gossip” would be to say what precautions must be taken to prevent problems specific to a hot-humid climate.

  • Larry Bloom, AIA

    Yes, there are some lawsuits over some spray foam; either old foam that had  formaldihyde or new foam that’s open-celled, in that it can hold water. I’ve seen some people say they had problems with Icynene, but I can’t find any more proof of that. Icynene is closed-celled and therefore shouldn’t hold water. As for decking, The only thing I can think of is that there was a roof leak and the water soaked the decking over the insulation, and was trapped. Icynene is non-flammable, but it does smoke. That’s all I know. Oh, and it’s extremely expensive.

  • Larry Bloom, AIA

    Yes, there are some lawsuits over some spray foam; either old foam that had  formaldihyde or new foam that’s open-celled, in that it can hold water. I’ve seen some people say they had problems with Icynene, but I can’t find any more proof of that. Icynene is closed-celled and therefore shouldn’t hold water. As for decking, The only thing I can think of is that there was a roof leak and the water soaked the decking over the insulation, and was trapped. Icynene is non-flammable, but it does smoke. That’s all I know. Oh, and it’s extremely expensive.

  • BobM

    What are your thoughts on radiant barriers in the attic? I live along the Pennsylvaniaaryland border. Today it’s one of the hottest days so far this year with some thermometers topping off at 102degrees. Certainly we don’t get the extra hostile sun like the south and southwest but it is clear that my 2nd floor still gets more heat gain from the attic than I would prefer. I have the recommended spray cellulose insul in the attic for this region (and I k ow I could add more for greater R-value) I was curious however in the likelihood of using a reflective/radiant barrier to reject some of the heatgain so that it doesn’t eventually filter to my 2nd floor. I’ve seen some sheathing that has a foil barrier for this exact reason, as well as having seen plastic/foil type rolls that can be stapled in the attic space. (admittedly complicated to make a full barrier) it seems like a radiant barrier of some sort rejecting the radiant energy before it super heats the attic space could help combat the heat gain.

    Yes/no? Curious your thoughts… (apologies for spelling&grammar I’m tapping this out on a phone)

  • http://twitter.com/houseplansbc Richard Martin

    One problem I’ve heard of with the closed cell… if moisture gets in (through the roof deck to the truss), it has little way of getting out. Borate treated top cords will address potential issues of a “rot sandwich”.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, the open cell vs. closed cell debate gets into the details of moisture because closed spray foam has a low permeability and can trap water. Open cell foam will show a wet spot as the water moves through it. Either can work well, in my opinion, if you detail them correctly.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not aware of widespread lawsuits relating to this, but whenever you use a material that can trap water, as closed cell spray foam does, you have make sure you detail it correctly. Generally that means air gaps. Create a ventilation channel between the roof deck and the foam, and you’ll avoid most of the problems that happen with spraying foam in the roofline. It’s more expensive and time-consuming, though, and pretty much no spray foam contractors are doing this right now. Spraying foam directly onto the deck can still work, but you have to be careful with the details.

  • Anonymous

    Both closed-cell and open-cell spray foam can have problems if not installed correctly or if the roof leaks. Also, Icynene is a company that makes both closed-cell and open-cell spray foam.

  • http://twitter.com/houseplansbc Richard Martin

    Absolutely! AND if you insulate the inside of the roof deck, you open opportunites to utilize the new conditioned space. ;-)

  • Anonymous

    Hi, BobM, I think a radiant barrier isn’t advised for your location. Yes, it’ll help in hot summer weather like you’re having now, but you’ll lose the benefit of keeping the attic a little bit warmer in winter. The best thing you can do is make sure you’ve air-sealed and insulated your sealing as much as you can. Also, don’t install power attic ventilators (http://bit.ly/lJpymc)!

  • kyle

    Mr. Bailes — I’m interested in closed-cell foam as roofline insulation. You mention that a successful installation requires it to be detailed correctly, and that few installers do so. Where can I find information on the properly detailed installation of closed-cell foam?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Gibson/1299905748 David Gibson

    I have recessed light cans in my kitchen, and am planning to blow in greenfiber insulation in my attic after i am finished installing the radiant barrier on the underside of the rafters. For each light can i made a protective cylinder made out of 14″ sheet metal so it extends about 8″ above the fixture, the top is open, they are 10″ diameter with the light being 6″ dia..  How do I insulate around these?  Can I lay batt insulation over the top of the sheet metal cylinders and then blow around them? 

  • http://www.lifeofanarchitect.com Bob Borson

    best chance to getting an answer from author Allison Bailes is to contact him on his site:
    http://www.energyvanguard.com/ 

  • http://www.lifeofanarchitect.com Bob Borson

    best chance to getting an answer from author Allison Bailes is to contact him on his site:http://www.energyvanguard.com/ 

  • Netua

    I am building a new small home and because of space constraints, must put the HVAC in the attic.  I was planning on doing a white metal roof (with ventilation) instead of sprayed foam.  I’ve struggled to find a comparison of performance between those two options.  Any suggestions?  BTW, I’m the south where summers can be brutal.

  • http://www.lifeofanarchitect.com Bob Borson

    best chance to getting an answer from author Allison Bailes is to contact him on his site:
    http://www.energyvanguard.com/

  • Donald

    We are remodeling a home that is around 30 years old.  It is a single story home and we are putting a vaulted ceiling in the kitchen / living area.  We are thinking about using a closed cell polyurethane foam on the roof deck and keeping the batt insulation in the walls.  The rest of the house has blown insulation in the attic and batts in the walls.  We were told that we should seal off the new vaulted area that will be foamed from the other attic space and add a small duct to allow air flow into vaulted area attic space.  What are your thoughts on this?? And will we have moisture issues on our windows??